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Medical Complications 15 Years Out

Polly15

Member
Hello, I'm new.
I had RNY in 2005. I've had a number of medical issues over the years that I just learned were caused or exacerbated by the depletion of minerals, vitamins, hormones, enzymes, etc. because I have not been taking the proper supplements all these years. I was told to take B12 in 2005. I attended support groups once-a-month for two years following surgery and never heard about any supplement in addition to B12. I have injected B12 monthly since 2005 but nothing else. These nurititional deficits build over time until big medical issues begin to emerge and are hard to diagnose. I am looking for a support group for people who are at least 10 years out so I can find out more from fellow survivors.
My advice:
  1. Stay current with post bariatric news (diet and supplement advice changes over the years).
  2. Make sure you follow the correct protein diet and always take the correct supplements - every day of your life.
Thank you for your direction.
Polly
 
I do!
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Welcome. Even though I take bariatric supplements daily, my endocrinologist is still concerned with the long term effects of nutritional deficiency since I had the bypass at a young(ish) age. I’m determined to keep up with my vitamins, and I’ll add more if/when I need to.
 
Yes thanks for the reminder about the importance of vitamins & mineral supplements. I just took my adult multivitamin (generic centrum) with minerals 3 hrs after my 1st of 2 daily calcium supplements. I will take the 2nd calc dose 3-4 hrs later. My sister preached the importance of vitamins, having gone through gastric bypass herself 15+ yrs ago.

I'm so sorry that your bariatric team was so negligent by not ensuring you had this information. They might be held responsible legally if you choose to go that route. Just a thought, not legal advice of course. Please take care.
 
It's important to understand absorption. Long ago I thought vitamins were a scam. When I started taking them correctly, my life changed!

Calcium, especially, was tricky. Then I learned one's body can only absorb 500mg at a time. The rest might be detrimentally stored in fat. Not good.

Vitamin C is great because what can't be used is peed away!

But make no mistake, groupsters. You have NO CHOICE but to supplement post-op. You simply can't get enough nutrients from food, whether you're post- or pre-op. There isnt enough research to support real data, but a metabolic blood draw once or twice a year is really a good idea.

I feel SO much better when I'm in nutritional balance. I still hike big mountains at 70.
 
Thank you all for your replies. My biggest error (among many) is that I have not been taking calicum - at all since surgery. I have a concierge physician and have kept careful records over the years - had lots of blood tests - seen many specialists, etc. However, I never had a PTH test until Jan 2021. Oh my gosh! I have been in secondary hyperparathyrodisim since 2005! It advanced to tertiary hyperthroidism around 2018 (hard to pinpoint) and I became increasingly ill with a myriad of general symptoms for a woman in her 60s (I'm 68) - extreme fatigue, body aches, terrible brain fog and memory loss, difficulty word-finding, depression, anxiety, irritability. And, I have no appetite. I am 5'7" and this morning I weighed 119.5 pounds.

However, I already had SIGNIFICANT health events that no one ever tied to my RNY. As soon as I learned about PTH being overlooked for 16 years, I read every NIH report I could find on long term effects on RYN surgery - wow! Now I know why:

1. I developed kidney stones for the first time in my life in 2008. The stones have been a continous problem - worsening every year. A silent stone killed one kidney in 2015. My remaining kidney is full of stones and is constantly monitored by a urologist and a nephrologist. I have frequent UTIs associated with the stones. I have had mutiple internal and external lithotripsy and cystoscopic retrievals of stones. The UTIs have advanced to sepsis three times. Doctors (me, too) generally knew the stones were caused by RNY but no one, myself included, thought there was any way to mitigate the formation of stones. I thought it was a consequence that every RNY patient experienced. In fact, I did not think the surgery was even performed anymore because better methods have been developed. Since I learned about PTH, I know RNY is the cause of my kidney stones and it WAS preventable if I had been taking calcium. In addition, only 8% of patients develop kidneys stones post-RNY. I have Chronic Kidney Disease Stage 3b (irreversible).

2. In Nov 2010, I went into "sudden cardiac death". In 2010, five years after RYN, at age 58, I went into ventricular fibrillation in my sleep. I began making strange sounds that woke my husband and dog. He immediately called 911 and started CPR. Only 5% of people in this situation survive intact (physially and mentally). I was in an induced coma with my body temperative lowered to help prevent brain damage. My husband got the name of a mortuary and notified my family. I survived but no one could figure out the cause. I had every test in the world and a defibrillator was implanted in my chest. My primary cardiolgist (who I still see) thought it was a errant arrhythmia. I was later found to have premature ventricular contractions (PVCs). An off-kilter sequence of irregular heartbeats stopped my heart in 2010. Since I learned of PTH, I read a 2018 NIH report that proves a connection between development of arrhytmias, up to and including sudden cardiac death, with some post RYN patients. I discussed it with my cardiologist. She knew about the linkage (since 2018) but didn't connect her 2010 patient with the problem. Now, she wholeheartedly agrees that my cardiac arrest was caused by absorption issues and depleted stores of calcium. I have a defibrillator for the rest of my life.

3. In 2014, I developed a terrible, life-threatening infection in an ordinary mucoid cyst on my right index finger. I was at my dermatologist for another reason and I casually asked about it. She said it is harmless, an aging thing and most go away on their own or never cause a problem. However, she told me if it every bursts open, I should immediately call a hand surgeon. Well, you guessed it. I have had three cysts excised, three nails pulled, two joints fused, and 3 weeks of daily IV infusion therapy by an infectious control doctor that made me sick for 3 months following the IV treatments. After learning of RYN complications, I thought about all my infections - the UTIs, slipping into sepsis so easily, the terrible infection in my finger - as I now read NIH reports linking lack of vitamin D to the immune system - I wonder.

4. In 2018, the retina in my right eye tore - no eyesight in my right eye. It was surgically repaired (vitrectomy). It was almost healed when it tore again and I had to have surgery again. I now have permanent loss of my right peripheral vision. An NIH study links malabsorption of nutrients with RNY. In 2005, nothing was known about these complications (a lot has been learned) but I did not keep up with the literature. I now know that a whole industry of bariatric vitamins and supplements are available. I never knew.

The sad thing is that this did not need to happen and most of it is irreversible. I had parathyroid surgery in May but I have not been seeing the improvements that many patients have followig surgery. This is because I advanced to the tertiary stage - there is not a lot of research. But doctors think my kidney stone production will probably not cease because it has gone on for so long. I am still in the testing phase and getting lined up with health professionals who have experience with post bariatric complications. I hope things can be improved. I'd love to get in touch with others - there have to be other people out there like me.
Polly
 
Thank you all for your replies. My biggest error (among many) is that I have not been taking calicum - at all since surgery. I have a concierge physician and have kept careful records over the years - had lots of blood tests - seen many specialists, etc. However, I never had a PTH test until Jan 2021. Oh my gosh! I have been in secondary hyperparathyrodisim since 2005! It advanced to tertiary hyperthroidism around 2018 (hard to pinpoint) and I became increasingly ill with a myriad of general symptoms for a woman in her 60s (I'm 68) - extreme fatigue, body aches, terrible brain fog and memory loss, difficulty word-finding, depression, anxiety, irritability. And, I have no appetite. I am 5'7" and this morning I weighed 119.5 pounds.

However, I already had SIGNIFICANT health events that no one ever tied to my RNY. As soon as I learned about PTH being overlooked for 16 years, I read every NIH report I could find on long term effects on RYN surgery - wow! Now I know why:

1. I developed kidney stones for the first time in my life in 2008. The stones have been a continous problem - worsening every year. A silent stone killed one kidney in 2015. My remaining kidney is full of stones and is constantly monitored by a urologist and a nephrologist. I have frequent UTIs associated with the stones. I have had mutiple internal and external lithotripsy and cystoscopic retrievals of stones. The UTIs have advanced to sepsis three times. Doctors (me, too) generally knew the stones were caused by RNY but no one, myself included, thought there was any way to mitigate the formation of stones. I thought it was a consequence that every RNY patient experienced. In fact, I did not think the surgery was even performed anymore because better methods have been developed. Since I learned about PTH, I know RNY is the cause of my kidney stones and it WAS preventable if I had been taking calcium. In addition, only 8% of patients develop kidneys stones post-RNY. I have Chronic Kidney Disease Stage 3b (irreversible).

2. In Nov 2010, I went into "sudden cardiac death". In 2010, five years after RYN, at age 58, I went into ventricular fibrillation in my sleep. I began making strange sounds that woke my husband and dog. He immediately called 911 and started CPR. Only 5% of people in this situation survive intact (physially and mentally). I was in an induced coma with my body temperative lowered to help prevent brain damage. My husband got the name of a mortuary and notified my family. I survived but no one could figure out the cause. I had every test in the world and a defibrillator was implanted in my chest. My primary cardiolgist (who I still see) thought it was a errant arrhythmia. I was later found to have premature ventricular contractions (PVCs). An off-kilter sequence of irregular heartbeats stopped my heart in 2010. Since I learned of PTH, I read a 2018 NIH report that proves a connection between development of arrhytmias, up to and including sudden cardiac death, with some post RYN patients. I discussed it with my cardiologist. She knew about the linkage (since 2018) but didn't connect her 2010 patient with the problem. Now, she wholeheartedly agrees that my cardiac arrest was caused by absorption issues and depleted stores of calcium. I have a defibrillator for the rest of my life.

3. In 2014, I developed a terrible, life-threatening infection in an ordinary mucoid cyst on my right index finger. I was at my dermatologist for another reason and I casually asked about it. She said it is harmless, an aging thing and most go away on their own or never cause a problem. However, she told me if it every bursts open, I should immediately call a hand surgeon. Well, you guessed it. I have had three cysts excised, three nails pulled, two joints fused, and 3 weeks of daily IV infusion therapy by an infectious control doctor that made me sick for 3 months following the IV treatments. After learning of RYN complications, I thought about all my infections - the UTIs, slipping into sepsis so easily, the terrible infection in my finger - as I now read NIH reports linking lack of vitamin D to the immune system - I wonder.

4. In 2018, the retina in my right eye tore - no eyesight in my right eye. It was surgically repaired (vitrectomy). It was almost healed when it tore again and I had to have surgery again. I now have permanent loss of my right peripheral vision. An NIH study links malabsorption of nutrients with RNY. In 2005, nothing was known about these complications (a lot has been learned) but I did not keep up with the literature. I now know that a whole industry of bariatric vitamins and supplements are available. I never knew.

The sad thing is that this did not need to happen and most of it is irreversible. I had parathyroid surgery in May but I have not been seeing the improvements that many patients have followig surgery. This is because I advanced to the tertiary stage - there is not a lot of research. But doctors think my kidney stone production will probably not cease because it has gone on for so long. I am still in the testing phase and getting lined up with health professionals who have experience with post bariatric complications. I hope things can be improved. I'd love to get in touch with others - there have to be other people out there like me.
Polly
Hello
If you have time I'd love to chat with you I've had/am having many medical issues post op since July 2013. Would be interesting to swap stories and hopefully learn a lil bit. I guess just email me Nroberts0527@gmail.com Thank you
 
Welcome. Even though I take bariatric supplements daily, my endocrinologist is still concerned with the long term effects of nutritional deficiency since I had the bypass at a young(ish) age. I’m determined to keep up with my vitamins, and I’ll add more if/when I need to.
If you don't mind me asking, how young were you? No one has mentioned this concern to me yet. So I am wondering if I should address it. Or, maybe I an just not as young as I think. haha
 
Oh ok, I do not have an endocrinologist as I currently do not have a need for one. Still, good to know. Thanks!
I have Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, so he treats that. While I didn’t need him to sign off or agree with the surgery, I shared it with all my doctors before hard. He said the vitamin absorption was his only concern, but it wasn’t concerning enough for him to tell me that I shouldn’t go through with it.
 
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